María Converses

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Making offs are underrated: The audience are not taking them seriously and film critics do not invite them to the big events. Lydia Zimmermann disagrees, she always wanted to get close to this film genre. She tried to approach it along with Stefan Metz, but it did not work. She also tried to collaborate with Iván Morales, without any luck, however things went differently with Agustí Villaronga. When Zimmerman found out that he was going to direct ‘The Testament Of Mary’ —Colm Tóibín libretto—, she knew she had to seep into the backstage. The result of this infiltration was ‘Maria Converses’, three months of superb espionage.

The 61 minutes that the film lasts, testifies this. During this time, Zimmermann was almost invisible, like a stealthy shadow. Blanca Portillo was the only one capable of disrupting the harmony of the director. The actress’ personality forced Zimmermann to interview her. Her testimony made Zimmerman’s mind up about the aim of her making off. Script, actress and filmmaker formed an improvised Holy Trinity whose objective was to carry out a double demystification.

The first false myth was already there, in Tóibín’s script. He gave voice to the Virgin Mary. It was a matter of time that some Christian communities dust their torchlights off. After all, Blanca Portillo’s character is an old Mary of Nazareth who has a good cry on stage, which is too much for most conservative groups. To the audience, the Virgin Mary does not show herself as an ethereal character but she becomes a human being who speaks about her mistakes and feeling of guilt. Portillo played her role superbly, turning Mary’s words into flesh, bone and blood.

On the other hand, Zimmermann deals with the second false myth indirectly. In the same way Tóibín theater shows us what eyes cannot see, ‘Maria Converses’ teaches us how to read between the lines. Zimmermann is able to show the creative process Portillo performs when she is preparing her character. There, we can see how the actress materializes Tóibín’s words in gestures. ‘Maria Converses’ slaps the concept of fame —which could be considered as a contemporary religion— by stripping Portillo’s soul. Zimmermann’s eyes show us the actress’ insecurities, her frustration, and tears when acting, like she was performing an ode to theater. The tandem formed by actress and character obeys Zimmermann’s wishes; to prove that public and private image of Mary and Portillo are miles apart.

The 5th edition of IberoDocs is glad to have the presence of Lydia Zimmermann, who will present ‘María Converses’ at the opening gala of the festival.

SPANISH

Al making off siempre se le ha mirado por encima del hombro. Ni el público se lo toma en serio ni la crítica le invita a las fiestas. A Lydia Zimmermann nunca le importó. Ella siempre quiso acercarse a él, darle un abrazo. Eso sí, lo consiguió a la tercera. No funcionó con Stefan Metz. Tampoco con Iván Morales. Tuvo que ser Agustí Villaronga quien le dio la excusa perfecta. Cuando Zimmerman se enteró que su amigo iba a dirigir ‘El testamento de María’ —el libreto del irlandés Colm Tóibín— supo que tenía que infiltrarse entre aquellas bambalinas. El resultado: ‘María conversa’. Tres meses de soberbio espionaje.

Los 61 minutos que dura la cinta lo atestiguan. Durante ese tiempo, Zimmerman es invisible, una sombra. Blanca Portillo fue la única capaz de romper la armonía de la directora con el entorno. No tuvo opción, la entrevista surgió casi de manera orgánica. La forma de ser de la actriz cambió la percepción que Zimmermann tenía del making off. Libreto, actriz y cineasta conformaron una Santísima Trinidad improvisada con el objetivo de llevar a cabo una doble desmitificación.

La primera ya estaba ahí, el texto de Tóibín la trajo consigo. Al fin y al cabo, sus líneas nunca estuvieron exentas de polémica. ¿Dar voz a la Virgen María? Era cuestión de tiempo que diversos colectivos desempolvaran las antorchas. El personaje de Portillo es una envejecida María de Nazaret que se desahoga ante el público en un intenso monólogo. Sobre el escenario, la Virgen deja de ser etérea, se convierte en un ser humano que nos habla de sus errores revelando un sentimiento de culpa. Portillo, sublime, sigue a rajatabla cada línea del guión convirtiendo en carne, hueso y sangre las palabras de una mujer en sufrimiento.

La segunda desmitificación, por el contrario, es tangencial. Al igual que el teatro de Tóibín nos muestra lo que los ojos no pueden ver, ‘María conversa’ nos enseña a leer entre líneas. Zimmerman consigue mostrar con soltura el proceso creativo que Portillo tiene a hora de preparar su personaje, cómo las palabras escritas por Tóibín se materializan en gestos. Somos testigos de cómo la actriz hace su magia, de cómo consigue desintegrar cada línea hasta hacer el texto suyo. ¿Pero realmente existe esa magia? ‘María conversa’ también da un puñetazo al concepto de fama —casi una religión contemporánea — al desnudar el alma de Portillo. Los ojos de Zimmermann nos muestran sus inseguridades, su frustración, el sudor y las lágrimas que la actriz derrama en su particular oda al teatro. El tándem formado por actriz y personaje se muestra sin tapujos ante la cámara para que Zimmerman ponga los puntos sobre las íes: personaje público y privado se encuentra a años luz de distancia.

María y Blanca. Ambas en estado terrenal.

La V edición de IberoDocs tiene el honor de contar con la presencia de Lydia Zimmermann, que presentará ‘María conversa’ en la gala de inauguración del festival.

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